Sunday, October 20, 2019

Healing Our Covenant of Blessing Part 1

Healing In The Word, a Torah Perspective Part 1
From my Book Our Covenant of Healing 



Rabbin/Dr. Deborah Brandt Ph.D.


As a Congregation leader our heart is to see God’s people walk in the fullness of His blessings.  One of those blessings is that of health and healing.  It is a promise to Israel in both the Tenach and Brit Hadasha. 


One of the prayers we pray in the Shemon Esrie Amidah is for Healing.


Heal us, O L-rd, and we shall be healed, save us and we shall be saved, for Thou art our glory.  Send complete healing for our every illness, for Thou, Divine King, art the faithful, merciful Physician.  Blessed art Thou, L-rd, who heals the sick of His people Israel.


The promises  of  healing is found in the Tenach  and  in the Brit HaDasha Yeshua confirms that it was Gods will that His people be made whole and He healed them!     God is the same, yesterday, today and forever, He never changes and His will never changes because His will is His Word from B’resheet to Revelation.

It is important that you study these verses in context, but you will see as we study what the Word says about healing and that Yahweh is our healer. Health and restoration are always associated with God’s blessings. Sickness and disease is not Yahweh’s will for us health and restoration brings glory to God.  Yeshua said that ha Satan comes to steal, kill and destroy but He came that we may have life more abundantly.   But don’t take my word for it TAKE HIS WORD!

As we see what the Word says, let emunah/trust arise in your heart for healing, because you have been redeemed by the blood of Yeshua and healing belongs to the redeemed of Adonai, His people Israel. 


Whenever God’s people repented and walked in obedience to His Word healing came in every area of Israel’s life.  Sin, rebellion and disobedience opened the door for judgment and sickness to come in, but when Israel repented, healing and restoration returned.


If you are In Messiah  then you have been grafted into the Covenants of Israel along with the blessings.  Healing has always been a provision for His people Israel when they were obedient to walk in His ways and looked to Him for their healing and deliverance.


Gods  word  is true and this issue of healing must be settled in each persons heart individually.  Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the  Word of God.   Healing is in the Torah and is for His people Israel.


There are 4 areas of healing that can apply to our lives- Relational which starts first with your relationship with God if it has been broken because of sin and rebellion,  repentance must come first, then when your relationship is right with God the healing process begins.  If our relationship with God isn’t right then our relationships with our brothers and sister in Messiah will not be right and will need healing as well.  Also, when there is national repentance, then healing comes to a nation.  When our relationships are in divine order then comes physical healing and emotional healing come as a result of repentance/Teshuvah and returning to His ways and His truth which is found in Messiah Yeshua follow as well. 

God's word is true and if we do not immediately see results for healing, we need to trust God and realize that healing is a process.  We also need to search our own hearts to see if there are any hindrances in our life that are blocking the healing process such as unforgiveness and bitter root judgments, evil speaking aka: Lashon Hara. 

People love to use Job as an example of not receiving healing, but it is plain from the text that God allowed the enemy to afflict him, however in the end Job received restoration in all areas of his life. 

Also people try to give examples in the Bible where people were not healed, such as Timothy who Paul advised to take a little wine for his stomach.  However just because it was not recorded he was healed, doesn't mean he wasn't.  God's Word tells us what we need to know, He does not always give us all the details!

Do not allow anyone to rob you of your faith and trust in God for healing by there words of doubt and unbelief.  I know it is a battle, because the enemy is always whispering in your ear that you are not going to be healed, and he is a liar.  Your healing is between you and God and just because someone was not healed does not mean it wasn't His will to heal them, again that is between that person and God. If they are a believer and do go to be with The Father, then that is the ultimate healing and victory.  What means God uses to heal you, whether it be via a Doctor or medicine or miraculously, ultimately He brought the healing in your life. 

God's Word is true whether healing manifests in our lives or not.  We need to exam our own heart and go to God in prayer and ask Him to reveal what the hindrance's are and He will show you.  

See my blogs "When Cancer comes knocking at your Door" regarding my husbands diagnosis and how we are standing on the Word.  We already have received a good report that he is doing better and that the treatments are working, however we know ultimately that it is God who is bringing healing to his body. 


 
In the Torah God made a Covenant of Healing with Israel and all those who desired or chose to come under the covenant of God as given to Moses.

26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.
  Ex 15:26 (KJV)

24 Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images.
25 And ye shall serve the LORD your God, and he shall bless thy bread, and thy water; and I will take sickness away from the midst of thee.
  Ex 23:24-25 (KJV)

This Covenant was in 2 parts

            1. Commands
           
A.     Diligently hearken to God’s voice (Exodus 15:26, Leviticus26:14-15
B.     Do that which is right in His sight  
C.     Keep all His statutes
D.     Serve the Lord

            2. Promises

A.     I will put none of theses diseases upon thee
      B.     I am the Lord that healeth thee
   C.     I will take away sickness from the midst of thee

This Brit/covenant of healing was also made a part of the Brit HaDasha/New Covenant, for Messiah “Took our infirmities and bore our sicknesses”

4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
  Isaiah 53:4-5 (KJV)

16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:
17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.
  Matt 8:16-17 (KJV)

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
  1 Peter 2:24 (KJV)

The Universal state of health in the nation of Israel continued as long as God’s conditions were met.

God wants His people well so we can complete what He has called us to do and Proclaim the Besorah/Gospel of Messiah Yeshua and make Talmidim for HIs Kingdom !

Tuesday, May 21, 2019

When Cancer Comes Knocking on your door - Our Faith

When Cancer Comes Knocking on your door - Our Faith

Spiritual Family Support, and Natural Family Support is Important!



Psa 23:1  A Psalm of David. The LORD is my Shepherd [to feed, to guide and to shield me], [Eze. 34:11-31] I shall not want. 
Psa 23:2  He lets me lie down in green pastures; He leads me beside the still and quiet waters. [Rev. 7:17] 
Psa 23:3  He refreshes and restores my soul (life); He leads me in the paths of righteousness for His name's sake. 
Psa 23:4  Even though I walk through the [sunless] valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil, for You are with me; Your rod [to protect] and Your staff [to guide], they comfort and console me. 
Psa 23:5  You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies. You have anointed and refreshed my head with oil; My cup overflows. 

Psa 23:6  Surely goodness and mercy and unfailing love shall follow me all the days of my life, And I shall dwell forever [throughout all my days] in the house and in the presence of the LORD. Amplified Bible

Note:  vs 4 says it is the shadow of death....When we walk through this shadow we do not have to fear because it is only a shadow, he has promised to bring us through it and give us comfort as we are walking through the shadow. 


This isn't the first time my husband has looked death in the face.  When he was in his 20's (before we met) he had a motorcycle accident via a hit and run driver and had severe brain trauma and was in a Coma for over 3 weeks but by God's grace (he was not serving God at that time) he lived but because of head injury has a seizure disorder which prevents him from driving a car for the safety of others and himself.  There are many other side effects to brain trauma, but through prayer many things have been overcome.

While he was in collage he suffered a ruptured appendix and lost 1/3 of his small intestines due to infection, but again lived through the experience. 

So we know God had a plan and purpose for his life even before he came to know Yeshua/Jesus as His Redeemer and this is another opportunity to use this to bring glory to Him.   Sickness does not glorify God, He did not put cancer in Scott, but He is the one who bring healing to his body.


In time of crisis the first one we need to look to is Our Heavenly Father and His Word.  We do not fear death because death is just a continuation of life when you know Yeshua/Jesus as your Redeemer and Savior.  However we stand on Psalm 91 and that we will finish the race He has set out for us to run for His Kingdom and His Glory.

We are not ready to give up the fight because we know we  still have a job to finish with our time allotted here on earth and the enemy, death is not going to take us before our time.

Our hope is in His Word and His faithfulness. 

When we keep our eyes on the Word we are filled with His peace when we get our eyes off the Word that is when we will become weak.

We are grateful for family and friends and for the prayers that we feel daily.  The hardest thing for me to do was to ask for help, I am use to giving the help not asking for it.  It is a very humbling experience. 

We have several friends, one a Rabbi friend of ours whose wife is a breast cancer survivor and  a friend from our Congregation who also has experienced a battle with cancer and who has  been a great support and encouragement to Scott and myself.

The reason for the bladder cancer was because my husband was a smoker for many years and even when he became a believer it was still hard for him to kick the habit but eventually he did.  However, we were surprised to hear from the doctor that the main cause of bladder cancer was smoking!  We knew smoking caused lung cancer, heart disease, breathing issues but never knew it affected the bladder as well.

As other cancer survivors have shared with us, it is just as hard on the spouse and family when a loved one is going through the pain and suffering.

If only our doctors were trained to combine faith with their medical treatment instead of looking at us like we are from Mars when we state we are looking to God for healing.  We know God uses doctors and medicine but they do not have the last say so - God does!!

When we start feeling overwhelmed we feel His peace/Shalom within us and we know we have people holding us up in prayer and the Father lovingly watching over us.

Just the other day Scott had to go through another surgery and Chemo.  I was in the room with him as he was waiting to be prepared for surgery, and we were laughing and joking with each other when the doctor who was doing the surgery walked in.   He started laughing as well, we told him laughter is good medicine, he just smiled!   We can laugh because we know that God's Word is true  and if He brought us to this crisis He will bring us through it so we can encourage others as well and give glory to God.

The battle was won 2 thousand years ago when Yeshua paid the price for our sins.  Read Isaiah 53 and Psalm 103 these words are fulfilled in Him. 

Here is one of my favorite songs and if you are going through a test or trial read Psalm 34 and listen to this song.  Brooklyn Tabernacle Choir - Psalm 34

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Thursday, May 16, 2019

When Cancer Comes Knocking On Your Door

When Cancer Comes Knocking on Your Door!

None of us expects to hear the "C" word from our doctor, however a few months ago my husband experienced a UT Infection that would not go away or respond to antibiotics of any kind.  His doctor ordered a C/T Scan and found a Tumor in his Bladder, other tests revealed it to be a Cancerous A Type Tumor.

He had surgery to remove the Tumor, however he has to have another surgery because they need to get muscle tissue samples to make sure it is confined to the bladder and has not spread outside to other parts of his body. 

As a Messianic/Christian believer who teaches and believes in Divine healing, this became a test of whether we would stand on the Word or cave into doom and gloom. Needless to say it was a No Brainer, the Word is true and we are standing on His Word , no matter what the diagnosis is for total healing in Yeshua's Name. 

We went through the emotional cycle of fear, tears, worry and the what "If's".  Also the thoughts of the  enormous financial cost of treatment!  But mainly the realization of loosing someone you love and the awful possibility of them no longer being by your side.  All these thoughts came flooding through our minds and even out of our mouths, however we always ended it with, God is our Healer, Provider and Deliverer. we will trust Him no matter what. Let God be true and the circumstances a lie. 

As an Ordained Rabbi and my husband who is an Ordained Minister we are practicing what we Teach and Preach.   God is our Healer!   The only way to victory is via prayer and The Word.  We even told the doctor that we are trusting God and that we will do what needs to be done, but ultimately the victory is our trust in His Word. 

I will be blogging about our journey in the hopes of encouraging others who are facing life threatening illness, along with encouragement in the Word to bring us through this test.

I would like to recommend some books that have been a help to us:

None of These Diseases - McMillen
A More Excellent Way - Henry W. Wright
Healing Our Covenant of Blessing - Rabbin Deborah Brandt

Shalom In Yeshua
Rabbin Deborah Brandt
Minister Scott Brandt






Monday, December 25, 2017

Is There a Pre Tribulation Rapture?

Shalom Everyone;

I am starting a new  Question & Answers from our new weekly Shabbat Midrash.   Many times I wrestle with scriptures, not because I doubt the Word at all, but I want to make sure I am understanding the correct interpretation of a verse or passage.   Again, last Shabbat we touched a little on the theory of the “Rapture”.

There are certain topics that we wrestle with and how they are interpreted, such as the “Catching Away” at the end of days:

The Catching Away of the Saints, i.e. the Rapture and interpretation of 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18, i.e. the great Tribulation escape clause.

You will get different arguments pro and con from both Messianic Believers and Christians (non Torah observant believers). When I was in the traditional Christian Church, I believed in the Rapture teaching, but when I started studying scripture over 20 years ago from a Jewish, Hebraic mindset I questioned the interpretation of this verse, not the verse itself.

To rightly divide the Word of God is a skill we must all learn in the study of Scripture.   Of course the Rapture is not a salvation issue, but it is important that we have the correct biblical understanding.   Some use examples of Enoch and Elijah as examples of people who were “caught up” to heaven without seeing death, and yes this is absolutely true, but does there experience apply to 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18?  There are many excellent teachers of the Word who do not agree on the “catching away” theory. 

One of the arguments is that God has not appointed us to wrath.  When I was thinking upon that word wrath and looking it up on both Hebrew and Greek it means the following:

There are 2 Hebrew words for wrath
H639
אף
'aph
BDB Definition:
1) nostril, nose, face
2) anger
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H599
Same Word by TWOT Number: 133a

H2740
חרן  /  חרון
chârôn
BDB Definition:
1) anger, heat, burning (of anger)
1a) always used of God’s anger
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H2734
Same Word by TWOT Number: 736a

G3709
ὀργή
orgē
Thayer Definition:
1) anger, the natural disposition, temper, character
2) movement or agitation of the soul, impulse, desire, any violent emotion, but especially anger
3) anger, wrath, indignation
4) anger exhibited in punishment, hence used for punishment itself
4a) of punishments inflicted by magistrates
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G3713
Citing in TDNT: 5:382, 716

Yes it is true, we have been forgiven and are saved from God’s wrath. So what is the ultimate “wrath” that the lost will suffer and that we will not experience?   I believe that wrath refers to the punishment of “hell” for those who have rejected God and His Truth and Salvation Yeshua.  

I was looking up several Scripture translations and the Ruach Hakodesh led me to look up the Scripture in the AENT (Aramaic English New Testament) translation and also the commentary.  Andrew Roth referred the reader to an article on this topic, which I have attached.

The AENT Translations reads like this:
“And this we say to you by the Word of our Master (Y’shua), that we who may survive and be alive at the coming of our Master (Y’shua) will not proceed them who have slept. Because our Master (Y’shua) will himself descend from heaven with the mandate and with the voice of the chief Messenger  and with the Qarna (Shofar) of Elohim; and the dead  who are in the Mashiach will first arise; and then we who survive  and are alive will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet our Master (Y’shua) in the air; and so we will ever be with our Master.

John McKee is a Messianic Apologists & Scholar who also does not agree with the PreTrib Rapture Theory, here is a link to his teaching on the Pre Trip Rapture which is very good. 


So the bottom line is this; that 1 Thessalonians is absolutely true, however the time of Pre, Mid or Post catching away is a matter of interpretation.

Yes there will be a “Catching Away” of the saints, but most believe it will be at Yeshua’s return, after the Tribulation.   In the meantime our focus should not be that of fear or a looking to escape the Tribulation, but to be faithful now and to the end doing what He has called us to do.   As one person said, “I would rather be surprised by the Rapture and prepared for the Tribulation, then prepared for the Rapture and surprised by the Tribulation😐

Shalom In Yeshua
Rabbin Deborah



Mathew 27:51 The Resurrected Saints at the Time of Yeshua's Resurrection Question & Answer

Shalom Mishpocha’

We had a good discussion during our time of Nosh after service.   

Sherri had a question from a friend regarding the people resurrected with Yeshua at His first coming, whether they received new bodies at that resurrection and where did the go?

Mat 27:51  And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.
Mat 27:52  The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;
Mat 27:53  and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many.

In our discussion, I felt that they received their resurrected Bodies and went to the Heavenly Jerusalem (or Heaven being the typical term used) with Yeshua, or the place where those who have gone before us await the New Millennium and rule and reign of Messiah Yeshua, but I wanted to do some more research anyway.

Here are 2 scholarly opinions, and they both have their good points.

Opinion #1 – Arnold Fruchtenbaum – Messianic Bible Study Collection
b.   The Resurrection of Many Saints
A second thing that occurred on this occasion was the resurrection of many of the saints who had recently died. While they did not come out of the tombs until after the Messiah’s own Resurrection, they were resurrected at the time of His death. This clear wording is sometimes missed and it is often taught that the resurrection of these saints occurred after Messiah’s Resurrection. But that is not the way the passage reads.
In verse 52, when Jesus died two things happened. First, the tombs were opened. Many of the tombs opened up as a result of the earthquake. Secondly, many bodies of the saints that had fallen asleep were raised. At that point, many were resurrected from the dead. Verse 53 states that they did not come out of the opened tombs until after his resurrection and then went into Jerusalem and were seen by many.
Some have interpreted this verse as recording the resurrection of the Old Testament saints, but that cannot be. There cannot be a resurrection to eternity before the Messiah’s own Resurrection. According to 1 Corinthians 15:20–24, Jesus is the first-fruits of the eternal resurrection. But these saints were resurrected at the point of Messiah’s death. This is not a resurrection of Old Testament saints into eternal life and existence, but, as with all previous resurrections, this was only a restoration back to natural life. These are just some of the saints who had recently died and then were resurrected by a restoration back to natural life, not a resurrection to eternal life.
The difference is that if one is raised from the dead into resurrection life, he will live from then on physically forever. So far, only Jesus has received this type of resurrection. The kind of resurrection being spoken of in this passage is a resurrection back to natural life, which means that these people would die again later.[1] 

Opinion #3 Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Commentary
Matthew 27:52
And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose — These sleeping saints (see on 1Th_4:14) were Old Testament believers, who - according to the usual punctuation in our version - were quickened into resurrection life at the moment of their Lord’s death, but lay in their graves till His resurrection, when they came forth. But it is far more natural, as we think, and consonant with other Scriptures, to understand that only the graves were opened, probably by the earthquake, at our Lord’s death, and this only in preparation for the subsequent exit of those who slept in them, when the Spirit of life should enter into them from their risen Lord, and along with Him they should come forth, trophies of His victory over the grave. Thus, in the opening of the graves at the moment of the Redeemer’s expiring, there was a glorious symbolical proclamation that the death which had just taken place had “swallowed up death in victory”; and whereas the saints that slept in them were awakened only by their risen Lord, to accompany Him out of the tomb, it was fitting that “the Prince of Life ... should be the First that should rise from the dead” (Act_26:23; 1Co_15:20, 1Co_15:23; Col_1:18; Rev_1:5).

Opinion #4 – John Wesley Commentary
Matthew 27:52
Some of the tombs were shattered and laid open by the earthquake, and while they continued unclosed (and they must have stood open all the Sabbath, seeing the law would not allow any attempt to close them) many bodies of holy men were raised, (perhaps Simeon, Zacharias, John the Baptist, and others who had believed in Christ, and were known to many in Jerusalem,) And coming out of the tombs after his resurrection, went into the holy city (Jerusalem) and appeared to many - Who had probably known them before: God hereby signifying, that Christ had conquered death, and would raise all his saints in due season.

Opinion #5 – Scofield Commentary
Matthew 27:52


graves

That these bodies returned to their graves is not said and may not be inferred. The wave-sheaf (Lev_23:10-12) typifies the resurrection of Christ, but a sheaf implies plurality. It was a single "corn of wheat" that fell into the ground in the crucifixion and entombment of Christ (Joh_12:24); it was a sheaf which came forth in resurrection. The inference is that these saints, with the spirits of "just men made perfect" (Heb_12:23) from Paradise, went with Jesus (Eph_4:8-10) into heaven.

Opinion #6  - Bible Archeology Website


(This is a Christian perspective)

What Happened to these Resurrected Saints?
There are three possibilities as to what happened to these resurrected saints.  First, they are still alive today.  I have lived in Jerusalem, on and off, for more than thirty years.  I’ve met a lot of people in that city.  I even met some people who thought they were Jesus, or Elijah, or John the Baptist, but I have never met anybody that was 2,000 years old.  So I think we can safely assume that they are not alive today.
The second possibility is that they died again.  We have no Scriptural warrant for this claim, nor are there any Jewish or Church traditions that states they died again.  So I think we can dismiss this idea.
The third possibility, and the one I believe is correct, is that they ascended into Heaven with the Lord Jesus forty days after His, and their, resurrection (Cambron 1973:57, 146-147, 334).  Let’s examine the account of the ascension of the Lord Jesus to Heaven.  After the Lord Jesus gives another commission to His disciples for world evangelism (Acts 1:8), Luke records: 
Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.  And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, who also said, ‘Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven?  This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven’ (Acts 1:9-11).
There are several things to notice in this passage.  First, “a cloud” received Him out of their sight.  Most commentators would state that when Jesus ascended, He disappeared into a cloud, a vaporous mass.  But Dr. Luke may be using this word in another way.  When the Apostle Paul describes the return of the Lord Jesus in the air for His saints, what has been called the Rapture of the Church, he states: “Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.  And thus we shall always be with the Lord” (1 Thess. 4:17).  It is important to note that in the Greek text, there is no definite article before “clouds.”  So the text should state that the living saints shall be caught up “in clouds” to meet the Lord Jesus in the air.  At the Rapture there would be a cloud of saints over North America, a cloud over Europe, a cloud over South America, Asia and Africa.
I believe that Dr. Luke is using the words “cloud” in this manner, as a collection of saints. Thus, the cloud that received the Lord Jesus above the Mount of Olives was a cloud of the saints that were resurrected in Jerusalem when the Lord Jesus was resurrected.  This was the first fruits of a greater harvest to come and the prophetic point of the Feast of the LORD.  The Israelites were to bring the first fruits of the barley harvest to the Temple and the priest would wave the omer (sheaf) before the LORD and acknowledge His provision for the harvest and trust Him for the full harvest in the months to come.  In the prophetic analogy, the priest would not wave one stalk [Jesus] before the LORD, but rather, a sheaf [Jesus and the Jerusalem saints that were resurrected at the same time that He was].  Thus, this fulfilled the prophetic aspect of the Feast of Firstfruits and what Paul wrote, “Christ, risen from the dead, has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.”
Notice also the words of the two men in white apparel, most likely angelic beings.  They said: “This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into Heaven.”  When the Lord Jesus returns to earth with His saints at His revelation as the King of kings, and Lord of lords, the Apostle John states that “He is coming with clouds [of saints], and every eye shall see Him, even they who pierced Him.  And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him.  Even so, Amen” (Rev. 1:9; cf. Rev. 19:11-16).
The prophet Zechariah predicted that the Messiah would return to the Mount of Olives with all His saints (Zech. 14:4-5).  The words of the two angels were that the Lord Jesus would return the same way He left.  He will one day visibly return to the Mount of Olive with His saints.  If he returns with saints, then He must have left with saints as well!  The saints that He left with were those resurrected from the graves around Jerusalem at His resurrection, but one day He will return to earth with more than just these resurrected Jerusalem saints.  He will have all His Church saints, those who have trusted Him as their Savior, from Pentecost to the Rapture, with Him as well (cf. John 5:25-29).
(We do not necessarily agree with their view of the Rapture, we do know that we will be caught up as told in 1 Thess. 4:17, but only God knows when)
I thought it was interesting regarding their interpretation of “Cloud” when Yeshua ascended into heaven refers to all of those who were resurrected with him at that time, which were the Tenach saints/Believers who were waiting in Sheol until the Resurrection and had looked forward to Messiah.

Mat_24:30  And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat_26:64  Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mar_13:26  And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Mar_14:62  And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
1Th_4:17  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Could the “Clouds” refer to all the saints that went before us and us when we are caught up to meet Him at His return?

Also Paul uses the term “A great cloud of witnesses”, so this interpretation makes sense because upon His return, He will be returning with those who have gone before us!  So in this case cloud could be a idiom for people, just like trees and sea represent  people at times in scripture as well?

Heb 12:1  Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,
Heb 12:2  fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God

Isa 60:8  "Who are these who fly like a cloud And like the doves to their lattices?

Eze 38:9  "You will go up, you will come like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land, you and all your troops, and many peoples with you."

Eze 38:16  and you will come up against My people Israel like a cloud to cover the land. It shall come about in the last days that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me when I am sanctified through you before their eyes, O Gog."

Cloud can also represent the Presence of God, His Glory!

Exo_24:18  And Moses went into the midst of the cloud, and gat him up into the mount: and Moses was in the mount forty days and forty nights.
Exo_34:5  And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.
Exo_40:34  Then a cloud covered the tent of the congregation, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.
Exo_40:35  And Moses was not able to enter into the tent of the congregation, because the cloud abode thereon, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.

Interpretation always depends on the context and also
Glory H3519
כּבד  /  כּבוד
kâbôd
BDB Definition:
1) glory, honour, glorious, abundance
1a) abundance, riches
1b) honour, splendour, glory
1c) honour, dignity
1d) honour, reputation
1e) honour, reverence, glory
1f) glory
Part of Speech: noun masculine

Cloud H6051
ענן
‛ânân
BDB Definition:
1) cloud, cloudy, cloud-mass
1a) cloud-mass (of theophanic cloud)
1b) cloud

Cloud

`anan (H6051), "cloud; fog; storm cloud; smoke." Cognates of this word appear in Aramaic and Arabic. Its 87 appearances are scattered throughout the biblical material.
The word commonly means "cloud mass." `Anan is used especially of the "cloud mass" that evidenced the special presence of God: "And the Lord went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way..."(Exo_13:21). In Exo_34:5, this presence is represented by `anan only: "And the Lord descended in the cloud, and stood with him [Moses] there, and proclaimed the name of the Lord."
When the ark of the covenant was brought into the holy place, "The cloud filled the house of the Lord, so that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud: for the glory of the Lord had filled the house of the Lord" (1Ki_8:10-11). Thus the "cloud" evidenced the presence of God's glory. So the psalmist wrote that God was surrounded by "clouds and darkness" (Psa_97:2); God appears as the controller and sovereign of nature. This description is somewhat parallel to the descriptions of Baal, the lord of the storm and god of nature set forth in Ugaritic mythology. The "cloud" is a sign and figure of "divine protection" (Isa_4:5) and serves as a barrier hiding the fullness of divine holiness and glory, as well as barring sinful man's approach to God (Lam_3:44). Man's relationship to God, therefore, is God-initiated and God-sustained, not humanly initiated or humanly sustained.
In its first biblical occurrence, `anan is used in conjunction with God's sign that He would never again destroy the earth by a flood: "I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth" (Gen_9:13). Elsewhere, the transitory quality of a cloud is used to symbolize the loyalty (Hos_6:4) and existence of Israel (Hos_13:3). In Isa_44:22, God says that after proper punishment He will wipe out, "as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins...."
`Anan can mean "storm cloud" and is used to symbolize "an invading force": "Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee" (Eze_38:9; cf. Jer_4:13). In Job_26:8, the storm cloud is said to be God's: "He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them." In several passages, the thick storm cloud and the darkness accompanying it are symbols of "gloom" (Eze_30:18) and/or "divine judgment" (Eze_30:3).
`Anan can represent the "smoke" arising from burning incense: "And he shall put the incense upon the fire before the Lord, that the cloud of the incense may cover the mercy seat that is upon the testimony, that he die not..." (Lev_16:13). This "cloud of smoke" may represent the covering between God's presence (above the mercy seat) and sinful man. If so, it probably also symbolizes the "divine glory." On the other hand, many scholars feel it represents the human prayers offered up to God.

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Rabbin Deborah





[1] Fruchtenbaum, A. G. (1983). Vol. 70: The Messianic Bible Study Collection (17). Tustin, CA: Ariel Ministries.